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Old 03-16-2011, 07:28 AM   #21
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Cellar spiders.... I was wondering why you happened to mention they were harmless to humans. I hadn't known about their venom!
The cellar spiders have quite the spread...making them appear quite large. Are they drawn to damp places?
With the exception of one very small family (Uloboridae), ALL spiders are venomous; that's how they subdue their prey. However, there are are only a very few species that truly pose a threat to humans. In the case of most spiders, either their fangs are incapable of penetrating human skin or their venom is not potent enough or of sufficient quantity to be of concern. That aside, there always is the possibility of someone being unusually sensitive to some venom component, such as is the case with those hypersensitive to bee/wasp venom. Although I would not go out of my way to be bitten by spiders, I see no reason to fear them.

Cellar spiders tend to inhabit relatively dark and undisturbed places, such as cellars; these also tend to be on the damp side, but I do not know if that is a requirement for them. And yes, their very long legs can make them seem larger than they really are.
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:15 PM   #22
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Post #20 got you stumped?
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You know.....I hafta twang your string, every now and then.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:36 AM   #23
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I hadn't seen it until just now. Nice botanical spidey imitation! As you likely already know, the specimen on this post is an orb weaver (family Araneidae)...
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:33 AM   #24
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So What is it that clues you in to a spider being in the orb weaver family? Their round little chunky bodies?
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A cluster of various jumping spiders?
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:38 AM   #25
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So What is it that clues you in to a spider being in the orb weaver family? Their round little chunky bodies?

Among other things - once you have looked at enough spiders (or other critters, for that matter), one can generally identify commoner ones at least to family just on their general appearance (die gestalt, if you will...)

A cluster of various jumping spiders?
Indeed - Although there appear to be at least three different genera represented, the images are not detailed enough for me to be confident of an off-the-cuff more specific identification.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:52 AM   #26
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I understand....
Which areas do you tend to look more at in identifying a spider? Its face? Its underside?
If we knew which.... We could focus more on these areas in future spider shots.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:19 PM   #27
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I understand....
Which areas do you tend to look more at in identifying a spider? Its face? Its underside?
If we knew which.... We could focus more on these areas in future spider shots.
The most important aspect is clear focus with as much depth of field as possible. Many spiders can be identified by by a dorsal view that shows the entire spider (including legs), others require a face-on view that shows the eye pattern, and a ventral view can be helpful at times as well. It's always better to err on the side of having too many images rather than too few...
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:00 PM   #28
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Hear that gang.....
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When you are out and about scurrying away from those harmless little innocent spiders---
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Hang in there and do an about face
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jump right in and get those close up shots of the spiders YOU want to identify!
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Daddy's not going to hurt you any.....I promise!
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Old 03-21-2011, 01:54 PM   #29
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Here that gang.....
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When you are out and about scurrying away from those harmless little innocent spiders---
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Hang in there and do an about face
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jump right in and get those close up shots of the spiders YOU want to identify!
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Daddy's not going to hurt you any.....I promise!
Nice shots of spider relatives in the order Opiliones (harvestmen; aka 'daddy long-legs')
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havalottaspiders, you're getting very good at those spidey close-ups!
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