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Old 02-24-2009, 04:35 PM   #71
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All the info here is eye opening. I knew it was bad out there but didn't know it was this bad. What I'm learning is that the companies selling the mixes in those bags need to have their hands slapped. Naughty naughty. I've been taught how to check the seed we buy and how to double check it to make sure it is wholesome and good for the environment before buying but that print on those bags is so small. The usda site is good for people like me to use as a launch to search for additional information. Thanks to the person who started these chats. I picked up a lot.
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:00 AM   #72
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I envy all of you who have local native plant societies; no such exist in our immediate area. Even the small nurseries, some of whom carry a good selection of native plants, also carry non-natives; so one must shop carefully and with an educated mind. My one experience with the local extension service came early on, when I called to ask how to eradicate the ailanthus/Tree of H.... that infested our property thanks to our neighbor's mass planting of same. Three calls elicited promises to have the arborist call me back, which never happened. On the fourth call, the volunteer or staffer actually asked why I was so anxious to get rid of them.... Needless to say, I've not tried to consult them again.

Bottom line is that resources here are very limited, at best, for the casual gardener with limited knowledge. Self-education is essential, but one is not born knowing that one needs this when shopping for plants. Very sad.
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Old 02-25-2009, 07:52 AM   #73
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me too transplant. No local resources here.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:37 AM   #74
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Whaaaah , whaaah,

I realize at how popular this makes me , but I hear a bunch of whiners . I believe it was TheLorax who mentioned how tough it was to get information 30-40 years ago and IT WAS . A person had no choice but to labor through a few scant books such as the Whole Earth Catalog ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Earth_Catalog

and after one drooled through that catalog then had to send for further detailed information to the resources listed there through SNAIL MAIL. As bad as it seems , believe me , it is easier today .

I lived in the boonies then as I do again today . PC's were virtually unknown . I had NO computer skills and what I do have now is self taught through exploration wandering around the internet .

The information that I can get in minutes/hours today would have taken weeks/months back then . Now I do not reside in the state of Wisconsin but just for the example of it lets see what resources for Wisconsin I can come up with in 15 minutes . 8:00 A.M here as of NOW , GO .

http://www.google.com/search?q=wisco...rlz=1I7GPEA_en

http://wisplants.uwsp.edu/BCW/

http://www.for-wild.org/land/wibirdpl.html

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=wis...utf-8&fr=b1ie7

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...ative%20plants

http://www.wisconsinbutterflies.org/

http://wisconsinwildlife.org/index.html

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/wildlife/

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/er/birds/

http://www.wisconsinoutdoor.com/birds.htm

http://learningstore.uwex.edu/pdf/G1609.pdf ( This looks good )

http://www.epa.gov/greenacres/nativeplants/factsht.html


TIME !

Now I obviously did not have time to go through all the material above in 15 minutes . Glanced quickly at some of it and there will be some information of value there .

Sites such as this (Wildlife Gardeners ) did not exist . Mother earth news (hard copy) once a month , organic gardening magazine once a month and the whole earth catalog was about as good as it got .

What we have available now is luxury .

It would be nicer if the information was more commonly available and as has been mentioned here the amount of misinformation is appalling . As long as commercial interests seeking to make a buck whatever way they can by the easiest way they can , to sell at the lowest price they can (will) .

Now when sufficent people reject what they are being offered in the marketplace and speak through thier pocketbooks by buying intelligently , THEN a change in the marketplace will (might ) occur .

So it really falls back on you/us .
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:56 AM   #75
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lonediver. Finding out ABOUT native plants is a whole lot easier. Finding the plants is still very difficult. Of course there are always seeds . . ..
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:06 PM   #76
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lonediver. Finding out ABOUT native plants is a whole lot easier. Finding the plants is still very difficult. Of course there are always seeds . . ..
Seeds are a start , " From an acorn a mighty oak grows " . Now I have had frustrations with the local native plant society here . Now "local for me is still 50 miles to one chapter or 70 to 80 to the other . The local arboretums spring and plant sales where it is still necessary to be knowledgeable enough to Not buy a non-native or invasive .

I just found myself on the phone with an organization that I have looked at for some time ;

http://www.for-wild.org/

If you go to it , you like me will likely admire thier mission statement . They have chapters in ;
Connecticut
Illinois
Indiana
Kentucky
Michigan
Minnesota
Missouri
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin

some states more than one chapter . Unfortunately for me NONE in the SW . While on the phone with them I expressed some of my frustrations with local native plant societies , master gardener programs , local arboretums , etc . .

Guess what , they have heard this before ! Now rather than continue to lament, whine I guess I will take my time and attempt to try to change things a bit maybe by attempting to organize a local chapter .

Don Quixote LIVES ! ! !

What I am suggesting that advocacy , volunteerism is another way to get involved . If you feel strong enough about something move your feelings/voice to action .
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:27 PM   #77
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Good luck. I hope you find some allies in your neck of the woods ---- er. ah I mean desert.
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:45 PM   #78
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Now rather than continue to lament, whine I guess I will take my time and attempt to try to change things a bit maybe by attempting to organize a local chapter.
I always told my kids "lead, follow, or get out of the way!" It looks like you're about to charge forward. Lead away, oh fearless one!

Best of luck with your new chapter.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:59 AM   #79
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Unfortunately for me NONE in the SW . While on the phone with them I expressed some of my frustrations with local native plant societies , master gardener programs , local arboretums , etc . .

Guess what , they have heard this before ! Now rather than continue to lament, whine I guess I will take my time and attempt to try to change things a bit maybe by attempting to organize a local chapter .
lonediver! You are incredible. You need to do this. You will love Wild Ones. Create it and they will come. Good for you. I bet you'll get a lot of support from them if you start up a local chapter. This would be such a great thing for AZ!
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #80
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Lonediver - It's always interesting to see someone take on this kind of project! Could you give us an update on the experience so far? Is Wild Ones providing you with the kind of support that you need? Have thely got a good chapter startup program? You've got to let us share this experience with you, even if it's just vicariously.
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Seeds are a start , " From an acorn a mighty oak grows " . Now I have had frustrations with the local native plant society here . Now "local for me is still 50 miles to one chapter or 70 to 80 to the other . The local arboretums spring and plant sales where it is still necessary to be knowledgeable enough to Not buy a non-native or invasive .

I just found myself on the phone with an organization that I have looked at for some time ;

http://www.for-wild.org/

If you go to it , you like me will likely admire thier mission statement . They have chapters in ;
Connecticut
Illinois
Indiana
Kentucky
Michigan
Minnesota
Missouri
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin

some states more than one chapter . Unfortunately for me NONE in the SW . While on the phone with them I expressed some of my frustrations with local native plant societies , master gardener programs , local arboretums , etc . .

Guess what , they have heard this before ! Now rather than continue to lament, whine I guess I will take my time and attempt to try to change things a bit maybe by attempting to organize a local chapter .

Don Quixote LIVES ! ! !

What I am suggesting that advocacy , volunteerism is another way to get involved . If you feel strong enough about something move your feelings/voice to action .
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