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Old 04-13-2009, 10:12 AM   #11
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I really don't think native fish would do well in a pond like that. It is a totally un-natural environment. The only thing it has in common with their natural environment is water, IMO.
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:15 PM   #12
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Stolon, The Lorax is my personal friend. The original design she used would not be conducive to the survival of native fishes. She agrees with me, actually. At the time, she told me she was thinking of a Koi pond. The design she had at that time is perfect for Koi, but not for native fish. They have vastly different requirements. Koi are basically extra fancy carp, and can handle low O2, stagnant, warm water. Native fish are much happier in an environment where the water has some aeration and movement and doesn't get too warm. I.E., you might need to provide additional oxygenation, and/or depth, and/or current, hence the additonal cost she mentioned. Bullheads might be the exception.

Nice attempt at the snark, though. Keep working on it.
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:54 PM   #13
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Yes they can handle it, but Koi and goldfish prefer it cool. Warm water encourages bacterial and fungal infections, algae growth and lethargy.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:15 PM   #14
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Wakins. I was originally considering wakins. They don't require as much water as koi. Then I had some issues with some comet goldfish and decided I needed to go for native fish to use on my property. I've got the design under control Now all I need is the money. Can I run around threads with a tin can that says, "Will work for pond"?
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:59 PM   #15
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Carp are happy growing in anything up to and including raw sewage. They aren't picky. They might do better in cooler water, true. But they do just fine in shallow, warm water....hence the spread of Asian carp.
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Old 04-16-2009, 09:41 AM   #16
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I apologize for my snark, Prairie. I got off-track because it was obvious that the original builder of the pond wasn’t going for wildlife value; they were aiming for another sort of aesthetic. I thought you were sneering at that, when in fact you were making an observation for Lorax’s benefit.

Being an artist, I consider aesthetics to be one of several necessary ingredients to the wellbeing of society. And although I strive in my own art to create beauty that also has function, I am not opposed on occasion to things which have no function other than to please the eye, such as a hole in the ground with water in it.
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:55 AM   #17
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Lorax-What is a wakins? Can you shovel gravel? I'll pitch something into your tin can.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:52 PM   #18
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Another exotic carp. They don't get as big as koi.
Exotic Goldfish - Wakin Goldfish
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:03 AM   #19
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How much do the wakins run? My babies are inside with me yet.
They have not learned how to run yet just swim.....

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He's the only one that will eat out of my hand and allow me to pet him. ....Nice fishy....

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In June I will put them into a 135 gallon pond I have for the summer.
I add a few BIG tadpoles to watch them grow. They get really tame as they become frogs. They will even let me pet them!
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:38 PM   #20
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A ghost koi. Beautiful. You will need a bigger pond some day soon.
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