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Location: Greensboro, Alabama USA
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World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
fertility rates in some populations are already affected. |
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#12 |
Grub
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A half-million years ago, there were no wolves in North America, they came over the same land bridge from Russia that man followed years later. So, any arguments that wolves were native here are pure malarky. Since the arrival of man, probably 20,000 years ago, man and wolf have competed for dominance of meat food sources. Man, being the true APEX predator, won that scrap. If wolves are to be here, they have to be very closely managed. And for those who want to argue that ANY Canis lupus is the same Canis lupus - that's about like saying that any subspecies of cattle are the same cattle. Taxonomists determined the different subspecies of wolves decades ago because there were distinct differences that made them different. The wolf that inhabited the Northern U.S. Rockies was Canis lupus irremotus. When USFWS stole upwards of $70-million dollars from sportsman provided Pittman Robertson funds (money earmarked for wildlife & fisheries habitat improvement) to fund the illegal introduction of larger Canadian wolves (columbianus and occidentallis) the agency manipulated wolf science to quickly expedite dumping the wrong wolf here to give them a quick foothold - before the theft of the money was discovered - and the project halted. USFWS also wrongly used that same money to build a new USFWS Region Office in California, and for upper USFWS management to give themselves big bonuses. Like it or not wolf lovers, the Wolf Recovery Project is riddled with lies, deceit and theft. And as the truth becomes known, the tide of public sentiment is changing rapidly. Those involved with stealing from Pittman Robertson funds, And reverting to lies, deceit and violating federal laws will eventually be held accountable. Some will do time behind bars.
It has only taken 15 years for the illegally introduced Canadian Grey Wolf to have a massive impact on our wildlife. For over 80 years "Sportsmen" not Defenders of wildlife, have worked to build elk, deer, and moose populations, and purchase vast tracts of land. Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming are under siege from the Canadian Grey Wolf. Just because the corrupt USFWS has changed the name of the invasive species, doesn't make it native to our ecosystem.
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What about those 'Canadian' wolves that have appeared on their own in NW Montana and Idaho. They came back to older territory they were extirpated from in the late 1800's through 1924? You may call them invasive, or were they pioneers? It's all in how you view a healthy and intact ecosystem. And yes, these wolves were in NW Montana long before the YNP reintroduction program.
And if we need to manage non-native animals, let's start with the cattle in Montana that are in conflict with the native bison ... better yet, let's raise cattle to feed the wolves so they will leave the elk alone.
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rondo: by your argument native american human populations are not native to the N. American continent.
To me it does not make sense to push back the definition of native to occupation by a species 20,000 B.P. The definition of native has got to have a functional definition that relates to the animal species' role in the ecosystem --- not to years before present. By the way--dogs came with native americans probably even before the Bering St. migrations--so native american dogs by your calculations predate wolves on the N. American continent. [Maybe they do] Earliest Dogs in North America: Natural History Notebooks |
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Approximately 40 million years ago, during the Eocene era, the various clades of the order Carnivora were already well defined, with groups of Felids, Canids, Mustelids, and Viverrids filling almost every available ecosystem niche capable of supporting life (Bekoff, et al., 1984). The Canini Tribe, a sub-group of Canidae, appeared in the new world near the beginning of the Pleistocene era, appearing somewhere around 1.8 million years ago and some 38 million years after their ancestors came down from the trees (Xiaoming, et al., 2004). Their primitive ancestors, who were fox-like in form, speciated in order to better exploit the available ecosystem niches, eventually giving rise to these two separate lineages, Canis rufus (Red wolf) and Canis latrans (Coyote).
Of these two species, only C. rufus dispersed from the new world into the old world. In the old world, Canis lupus (Grey wolf) evolved from C. rufus and further speciated into two lineages. One lineage developed into the extant small, warm-adapted wolves of southern Eurasia while the other lineage evolved to fill niches in the much colder, northern ecosystems (Xiaoming, et al., 2004). Not all of the grey wolves stayed in the old world; many re-entered the new world around 700,000 years ago via land bridges that appeared during the Pleistocene Ice Age as glaciers locked up water, which resulted in lowered sea levels. Eventually as the Pleistocene Ice Age ended and the land bridges flooded, the grey wolves that migrated back to the new world became separated from their siblings in the old world. Due to this vicariance event, the wolves of the new world evolved, becoming C. lupus nubilus, while those remaining in the old world became known as C. lupus lupus (Bekoff, et al., 1984). These new world wolves were not alone though; they returned to find that Canis dirus (Dire wolf), C. latrans, and C. rufus were already filling most of the easily available and exploitable niches that existed within the North American ecosystems (Xiaoming, et al., 2004).The dire wolf, a somewhat larger, more robust form of wolf, had evolved in North America earlier. The dire wolf and grey wolf shared the continent for nearly half a million years, until the dire wolf, along with many other large Pleistocene species, died out in the Great Ice Age extinction of 16,000 years ago (Van Valkenburgh, 1999).
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It appears that Rondo will not be swayed in his thoughts/beliefs. He is entitled to that and I applaud him for sticking to his heart-felt convictions. It takes a strong willed person to stand their ground and up hold their beliefs when faced with overwhelming evidence contrary to what they believe in.
I, for one believe that ALL native species deserve an equal opportunity to survive and not be hunted for sport. I think that if someone wants to kill something for fun, kill some time and read a book. Thanks Dave for the research, I did not know there were so many different species of wolves!
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I am treated to a wolf-song almost every day when the ambulance passes on the highway below me. My dogs are remembering somehow an ancestral song. My chow-border collie Roscoe knows it so well--having learned from Sylvia malamute. Little Emmagreyhound only knows how to produce an unmelodeous screech. |
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