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Old 11-12-2012, 07:55 AM   #1
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Here's another one. (Most of my books are 250 miles from here, whatever this is isn't in the Audubon tree guide, and I'm having no luck searching online.) This is growing in oak-maple woods in a public park near a creek in Toledo; it is almost the last thing with leaf color.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:48 AM   #2
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The fall color reminds me of an Eastern Wahoo. The growth form reminds me of an Eastern Redbud. What little I can see of the leaf veins reminds me of a Dogwood. What little I can see of the drupes sorta reminds me of some plums and Ilex.
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I think your on the right track with Wahoo EQ. It looks more like Euonymus alatus, Winged Wahoo to me. There maybe some corky wings on some of the larger branches in the second picture.
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I screamed uncle.... I couldn't tell what that was from the photos!!! I looked at #2 again and enlarged it and I'm not seeing any corky wings. They're probably there if you're seeing em which means YOU pegged the ID.... I'm just not seeing em even with enlarging her photo. I guess I don't see well enough to see what you're seeing. An alatus growing in shade would have larger leaves and it would not have the brilliant fall color BigHort loves to sell and it would be out of sync retaining leaves with the locally native species just like what she said about it being "the last thing with leaf color" and any corky wings like what you said you saw would be a dead give away. If it has any corky wings... I'd go back and strip it of all those drupes before they dropped then nuke it before its evil spawn starts taking root anywhere.
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I screamed uncle.... I couldn't tell what that was from the photos!!! I looked at #2 again and enlarged it and I'm not seeing any corky wings. They're probably there if you're seeing em which means YOU pegged the ID.... I'm just not seeing em even with enlarging her photo. I guess I don't see well enough to see what you're seeing. An alatus growing in shade would have larger leaves and it would not have the brilliant fall color BigHort loves to sell and it would be out of sync retaining leaves with the locally native species just like what she said about it being "the last thing with leaf color" and any corky wings like what you said you saw would be a dead give away. If it has any corky wings... I'd go back and strip it of all those drupes before they dropped then nuke it before its evil spawn starts taking root anywhere.
One thing I've noticed about Euonymus is when it escapes cultivation and starts growing out in the woods it tends to have less dramatic Corky "wingyness" for some reason maybe just because its not being pruned as vigorously as it would be in "captivity"
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Thanks, recurve. My first thought was that it was euonymus alatus, but there were no "wings," and the drupes didn't look right. I just looked at another photo, though, and the remnants of the flowers are there. I may even be seeing a little corkiness in the bark.

I want to use the pictures in another rant on invasives in my blog but needed to be sure of the ID first.
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Lorax, here's a link to the post. Hope you can follow it. From Rebecca's Window: Beautiful but bad
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If it does turn out to be E. alatus..... are ya gonna go and see if you can get permission to nuke it?
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On a positive note.... my understory receives a decent quantity of sunlight so my baby BBs color up that fantastic firey red of Biblical proportions that folk seem to lust for come October.... all the better to spot them and much easier yanking them out of the ground when they're but wee little seedlings!!! I've been getting em before they get a chance to establish and I just lay em out on the driveway to cook on the asphalt and toss em in my composter when they're good and dead. If I forget them and the wind blows em off the driveway.... no biggie. They've been uprooted so dead is dead and they can decompose on their own.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:26 PM   #9
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Equil, these bushes are in a 500-acre public park that has an invasive species removal program. Last spring, when I noticed garlic mustard blooming, I popped into the office to ask if it were okay for me to pull them and was told that unauthorized people were not allowed to yank any plants in the park. I suspect if one of the naturalists had been in the office, I could have gotten permission, but instead I let it go.
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I can almost guarantee you if you go looking for those shrubs in the late winter you'll find that rabbits have girdled them.

I'm surprised the Audubon book didn't have the Eastern Wahoo in it as it's very attractive to cedar wax wings.
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