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Default Rock Gardening With Native Plants


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By Equilibrium on 11-06-2011, 07:55 PM

-Scutellaria parviflora (Scutellaria parvula)
Skullcap, Small Skullcap, Smaller Skullcap
PLANTS Profile for Scutellaria parvula (small skullcap) | USDA PLANTS
Scutellaria parvula page
Smaller Skullcap (Scutellaria parvula)
Scutellaria* parvula: UW-Stevens Point Freckmann Herbarium: Plant Details Page

-Ruellia humilis
Wild Petunia, Fringeleaf Wild Petunia, Hairy Petunia
PLANTS Profile for Ruellia humilis (fringeleaf wild petunia) | USDA PLANTS
Hairy Wild Petunia (Ruellia humilis)
Ruellia humilis page
Ruellia humilis

Karli> It takes time learning what info is good and what isn’t and I swear you’ll get the hang of it in no time flat. After you start poking around a little on your own.... you WILL get comfortable with searching. You’ll be an old pro in no time flat. Most folk like the US Plants Database as a launch pad even though they don't have decent photos because they'll let you know if a plant is native to the US (N) or non-native (I for introduced) and they'll have maps that tell you whether it's native to Indiana or not (look for your state shaded in lite blue and then you'll know it's native to somewhere in your state). Green just means the plant grows in your state but doesn't mean it's a plant that's native.... could be Asian.... could be Australian.... could be African or European... you never know what it is until you get to the little US map that shows your state as either light blue or light gray. Gray means it's non-native. Next you'll figure out that the Lady Bird Johnson (wildflowers.org), Missouri Botanical Garden (Mobot.org), NC State (ces.ncsu.edu), Missouri Plants (missouriplants.com), and DNR or US Forest Service (fs.fed.us), Duke University (duke.edu), UW Stevens Point (wisplants.uwsp.edu), Illinois Wildflowers (illinoiswildflowers.info), Connecticut Botanical Society (ct-botanical-society.org), and are pretty good sites that give you quality information.
And.... you'll learn to skip over sites like PlantFiles (Davesgarden.com) that are just flat out hi-tech pyramid marketers trying to get us to buy from their venders that are paying them to advertise. Same thing for GardenWeb and to boot.... those types of websites make their bread and butter selling ad space to nurseries selling non-native ornamentals so native plants are relegated to areas of their websites where they won’t compete with the plants sold by BigHort. You can skip by like 99% of most nurseries too since most of them aren't selling the straight species you'd want for butterflies... they're selling the latest and greatest cultivar.
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By Porterbrook on 11-06-2011, 09:19 PM

Equilibrium, You have done a marvelous job of introducing KarliM (and I hope many others) to finding pertinent information about the native plants that they want to incorporate into their gardens. I would urge anyone to do a couple of more things to broaden their understanding of native plants. First, please join your local or state native plant society. This will give you an opportunity to meet many other people who are both novices and experts about the flora of their region. You will be able to take botanical excursions to natural areas to see rare and not so rare plants. Take pictures and notes about what you see. I would then urge you to purchase the flora of your state or region. Even though technical, in time you will begin to understand the terminology. In addition to the flora, obtain books that are field guides to your state or region. These books will have color photographs of the plants and information about their growing conditions. I have always advised folks to get a copy of Lawrence Newcomb's Newcomb's Wildflower Guide. It is written for those who have little or no botanical background. In the process of learning to identify the wildflowers, you will become more and more familiar with the botanical structure of the plants. As you become more proficient, the more advanced floras will begin to make more sense to you. Keep a journal of your botanical excursions and write up descriptions of the plants you identify. From this information, you can begin to make intelligent decisions about what species you want to grow in your gardens. Website are marvelous tools, but nothing can equal the experience of seeing the plants first hand and learning to identify them yourself. And make it a family experience.
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By dapjwy on 11-07-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
I've started her out… I made some time but…. maybe somebody else can add common names and get good links for her... Porterbrook? dapjwy? Anyone wanna help a newbie start learning how to sort things out so we can give her a good foundation of what to look for when checking out plants>>>?
Great minds think alike, Lib!

I started doing some searches of my favorites--and others to double check my memory...and will search the ones I don't recognize later. I can do my best to post what I find here. I can't promise much, but here is my contribution:

-Krigia biflora
Twoflower Dwarf Dandelion, Two-flowered Cynthia, Cynthia

I first encountered "two-flowered Cynthia" in wildflower field guide in my late teens or early twenties. I remember calling it "two-eyed" Cynthia, and my mother saying it was a terrible name (funny that I got it wrong). Second time I encountered it was in Sara Stein's book Planting Noah's Garden...and I've wanted Krigia biflora ever since. It wasn't until last year that I realized I had it! I got some from a friend, planted it without thinking much about it, and this year it took off (I have two small patches now ). The links above confirmed it for me.

-Krigia Montana (not native to Indiana but native to other states)
Dwarf Dandelion, Mountain Dwarfdandelion, Mountain Krigia

(I'm not very familar with this one, but I included it anyway)

-Silene caroliniana (not native to Indiana but native to other states)
Sticky Catchfly, Wild Pinks, Wild Pink

I have the red Silene, and have considered this one as well. Now I just have to find a nearby source for it.

Hope these are helpful.
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By dapjwy on 11-07-2011, 05:53 PM

Oops, I see Lib's been very busy. I hope I didn't repeat any that she added. No time to read her links now, but I will say a quick thanks. You saved me a lot of leg work, I'd bet.
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By Equilibrium on 11-07-2011, 09:30 PM

Dappy> ya.... I was busy!!! I couldn't go out and play in the dirt so.... I started looking up links!!! I see you dug in and started looking up some links too!! Way to go!!! I left off at Campanula rotundifolia if that helps!!!
Porterbrook> Newcomb’s book is heavy on the black and white drawings if memory serves me... and it doesn't always but... most folk are usually looking for color. I guess if I was going to recommend books, I’d probably suggest Sara Stein’s, ‘Noah’s Garden’ and Doug Tallamy’s, ‘Bringing Nature Home’. They’re good reads no matter what one’s gardening skill set is and I don’t know a library out there that doesn’t have them so…. no money outlay. To each his own though.
I’m more of a KISS person. That’s not to say I’m not for stepping up the pace a notch or 2 if someone’s gun ho but…. most know what direction they want to move in and just need some instant gratification to get them going…I know I do and…. the simplest way to achieve that is to find out whether a yard is in sun or shade or a little of both and then take it from there suggesting 3 readily available locally native plants they could pick up just about anywhere. It’s 1 of the reasons why I like linrose’s pocket garden concept. She deals with little bits of her yard at a time which… is something I can make time to do while learning how to grow more of my own food without feeling overwhelmed or torn between two masters.
Something else I just picked up on in another thread was a free pdf that anyone could use, Landscape for Life - Getting Started. I liked it. Simple and straightforward. We can print it out and organize our thoughts then take off in any direction we want.
Karli> speaking of sun or shade or a little of both.... what's that gravelly driveway of yours>>>? And.... I really think you'll get psyched over what linrose does, New pocket prairie garden project. Check out her photos and see if there's anything you like since if you're in Indiana.... Kentucky's a hop skip and a jump from you and just about any native plant she uses could probably work for you.... well... except for in that gravelly area you've got. That's a toughie so don't let it get you down!!!
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By WG Admin on 11-08-2011, 12:53 PM

Equilibrium & Dapjwy-

Excellent work.


No question is stupid; so please ask when you have one.


When you ask questions in threads you are doing others a favor that probably had the same question.
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By KarliM on 11-09-2011, 08:28 PM

I swear I didn't know what to do with the names. I'm rescued. Thank you much Libby and dapjwy.

My driveway is sunny. I have grass in the middle of the gravel for the tires and grass on the sides. Can i plant pussytoes, phlox, moss pinks, petunias, and iris together with that stonecrop in the middle so is I can dress it up? What can I plant by tomatoes so is to dress those up?
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