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How hazardous are wind farms for birds?
15 de septiembre de 2009 http://www.evwind.es/noticias.php?id_not=1274 excerpts from above: Quote:
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Birds versus wind turbines
September 10, 10:26 AMEnvironmental Headlines Examiner KJ Collins Birds versus wind turbines excerpt from above: Quote:
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suggested reading from site:
Wind Power and Prairie Chickens http://www.examiner.com/x-17018-Environmental-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d27-Wind-Power-and-Prairie-Chickens Wind Farm threatens the Red Kite, the national bird of Wales http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/09/06/wind-farm-threat-to-wales-national-bird-91466-24616525/ US Fish and Wildlife developing new wind turbine guidelines http://www.fws.gov/habitatconservati...As_Posted).pdf Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 (digest) http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/migtrea.html Video: Altamonte Pass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtgBWNKwBkE
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From what I've been reading lately, wind energy does not look like the future of energy in the U.S. Transporting the wind-generated electricity is another big problem, requiring the destruction of a large amount of habitat to lay wires.
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You know... there's another thread on these wind farms somewhere else. It hit on some of the things you mentioned about them not being the future of energy in the US.
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I confess that I do not know which way we should go. It will be difficult to estimate and compare the respective impact on wildlife of all potential large-scale energy generating projects, won't it? Some of the objections that folks have to wind power, such as tearing up the landscape to get the energy from point A to point B, would also apply to large scale solar projects, wouldn't they?
And how do the impacts of projects such as these compare to the impacts on wildlife of achievable alternatives? Coal? Natural Gas? Biofuels? Nuclear? It seems to me that we are necessarily faced with choosing among the lesser of a list of evils. Given that, what is the optimum choice? (And if the question mark key on my keyboard ever breaks, what will I do?) |
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Good point HR. I recently read a cost-benefit analysis of the Cape Cod wind farm done by the Beacon Hill Institute, and by the highest plausible evaluation of environmental benefits the project still had a significant net social cost. However, it's possible that truly windy areas like the Great Plains could produce wind energy more cost-effectively.
I'm hoping that breeder reactors will make the nuclear option more cost-effective and environmentally friendly. Supposedly, breeder reactors will reduce nuclear waste by 90% or more. But this is a topic I really haven't investigated for myself yet. |
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FACTS ABOUT WIND ENERGY AND BIRDS
provided by the American Wind Energy Association http://mywebsite.register.com/db5/00..._and_Birds.pdf excerpt from above: Quote:
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Good grief. Talk about lying with numbers. Birds rarely fly into big things, that are lighted at night, like buildings, power plants, either nuclear or coal fired. However, they do tend to fly into things that are hard to see, like electric transmission lines, and the supporting towers. They also fly into tv and radio transmission towers, and, wind turbines. Whoever wrote this "study" apparently included bird deaths due to impact with electric transmission lines, along with bird deaths due to impact with electric generating stations. Since most of the electric power in the USA is generated in coal fired generating plants, most of the electricity flowing through the grid is derived from this source. That's how they came up with the conclusion that far more bird deaths are due to conventional coal fired power, compared with wind power and nuclear. The author is pretending that bird deaths due to impact with the electric grid should be attributed to the source of the power. This makes absolutely no sense, the "study" is not worth the paper its printed on.
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They're a little biased being as how they're the American Wind Energy Association wouldn't you say. Look at their [Notes]. They must have had to search long and hard to avoid having to add "notes" from current research.
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