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Join Date: May 2009
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No offense, but I don't beleive anything the WI DNR says. There are areas in the northwoods that have deer populations below 5/sq mi. Independant research has shown there are locations where the population at this time is not genetically viable. Keep beleiving the DNRs propaganda if you wish. As far as those predators taking livestock? Two years ago several wolves were removed about 30 miles from my home for killing cattle. I do not live "up north" either. Go ahead, keep beleiving what comes out of Madison. I'll beleive in what I see with my own eyes tyvm.
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Grub
Join Date: May 2009
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Official Plant Nerd
Join Date: Dec 2008
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I keep begging people to come down and hunt by me but nobody takes me up on my offer... I think I'll smell my pits to make sure I wore deodorant this morning. I'm loaded with bambis. Somebody take me up on hunting my bambis. You can hunt through the kitchen window if you want and the frig with snacks in it is only an arms length away.
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Co-Administrator
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Midwest
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That pdf is dated Oct of 2009, so that number probably came from the 2008 harvest (451,835 total for the state).
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/...eer/hist08.pdf
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A Bee's Best Friend
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago Illinois USA
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Trillium, I have family living in several areas of Wisconsin. My husband is from there and his brother still lives there. Madison is cool, but it is not the only area I visit on a regular basis.
I would like to understand why you think deer populations are so low as to be unrecoverable. And if you don't mind why you think the wolves will become a problem that is unmanagable. From what I can see deer meta populations (the over all numbers from surrounding areas even other states) are high enough to move into any area that has a temporary low count what ever the reason. Deer hunting is low this season partly because people are afraid of the Chronic Wasting Disease and partly because of culling in areas where the disease has been found spreading. The following map is from DNR but it shows Wisconsin areas that have low numbers of deer in blue and green with the areas in yellow and red still above goal. http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/hunt/deer/post_hunt_pop.pdf |
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Grub
Join Date: May 2009
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"Deer hunting is low this season partly because people are afraid of the Chronic Wasting Disease and partly because of culling in areas where the disease has been found spreading."
CWD was found in 2002. It caused a decline in license sales that year, but sales have regained strongly. There is no government program of culling going on in this state at this time. I'm really not looking to argue. I understand my opinion ( like many of my other opinions) are not popular here. I should have just stayed shut up. |
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Heron
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: NE IL, USA
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Well, one man's unrecoverable is another man's how it should be.
Should one be able to sit in their backyard and shoot deer from their lawnchair? Deer that they've been feeding all year? Nope. Sorry, that isn't sport. It's shooting fish in a barrel, and not sporting. Remember...they're supposed to have a chance to get away. If collecting a deer actually requires some physical effort, and some time spent running around outdoors, and some knowledge of their habits and food preferences and habitat and their predators(who are your competition), that is sport. If ecosystems were left as they were...there would be no more deer than the land could support. There would be no more predators than the land could support. Limiting factors. You don't have the browse, you don't have the deer, you don't have the deer, you don't have the predators.
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A Bee's Best Friend
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago Illinois USA
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trillium, I'm sorry if I have offended you. We actually agree about some things and I have no solutions to offer, just thought you might be able to help me understand your point of view.
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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Mesopredator release and avifaunal extinctions in a fragmented system
Kevin R. Crooks & Michael E. Soulé http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v400/n6744/abs/400563a0.html Quote:
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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