HOT ISSUE: Should we deliberately move species? - Page 3 - Wildlife Gardeners

Calliandra · 08-07-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Prairiefreak

Warmer temps and drier weather may NOT be permanent...they may last only 10-75,000 years or so....ROFL!

Whistling past the graveyard...

Equilibrium · 08-07-2009, 10:34 PM

"but when you add in bone-headed human interference and laissez-faire pro-industry insousciance, and fire supression,"... sounds like everyone is in agreement this isn't climate change... let's toss in habitat destruction just for grins and giggles. "We also do not know that warmer temperatures and drier weather in some regions is permanent." That's what was stated. How long ago was it they had us preparing for the next ice age and we were all buying into it? We're in the midst of climate change....we've been in the midst of it for millennium. I don't think anyone disputes that however I'm going to run with amelanchier on this one... species from in tact communities will be able to migrate slowly if there is a round of warmer temps and drier weather ahead for all of us that's starting now that "may last only 10-75,000 years or so" just "as species did before & after the last Ice Age".

TheLorax · 08-08-2009, 10:20 AM

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Whistling past the graveyard...

Don't be shy silly you. No one else is.

Wild Flora · 09-19-2009, 04:29 PM

I'm glad I finally found this discussion. Very interesting points raised, all well worth considering.

Equilibrium · 09-19-2009, 04:49 PM

What are your thoughts? This is not a trick question.

Come on... be brave.

Prairiefreak · 09-20-2009, 04:59 PM

The climate is NOT changing slowly enough so that native species might have a chance to adapt. This is rapid and unprecedented change. It can take hundreds, if not tens of thousands of generations for a species to adapt to a changing environment. But what if the species dies out in the mean-time? Do we just pick our noses and say, "Oh well?"

Speaking for myself only, since *I* believe we are more than 50% responsible for this, I think we should do what needs to be done to save native species of flora and fauna. I feel that it is a moral imperative.

I believe that GCC is a cyclical event, however, we have sped it up immeasurably. How could the human race expect that dumping millions of kilotons of crap into the air and water every year since the industrial revolution wouldn't cause all kinds of bad things to start happening? It's pretty much common sense, IMO.

The pine bark beetle causing most of the damage is indeed a species introduced to North America. It is now hybridising with the native pine bark beetle. Superbug! Fun, huh?

08-07-2009, 10:34 PM	#22
Equilibrium Official Plant Nerd Join Date: Dec 2008	"but when you add in bone-headed human interference and laissez-faire pro-industry insousciance, and fire supression,"... sounds like everyone is in agreement this isn't climate change... let's toss in habitat destruction just for grins and giggles. "We also do not know that warmer temperatures and drier weather in some regions is permanent." That's what was stated. How long ago was it they had us preparing for the next ice age and we were all buying into it? We're in the midst of climate change....we've been in the midst of it for millennium. I don't think anyone disputes that however I'm going to run with amelanchier on this one... species from in tact communities will be able to migrate slowly if there is a round of warmer temps and drier weather ahead for all of us that's starting now that "may last only* 10-75,000 years or so" just "as species did before & after the last Ice Age". __________________ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind*." - Dr. Seuss

09-19-2009, 04:49 PM	#25
Equilibrium Official Plant Nerd Join Date: Dec 2008	What are your thoughts? This is not a trick question. Come on... be brave. __________________ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

09-20-2009, 04:59 PM	#26
Prairiefreak Heron Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NE IL, USA	The climate is NOT changing slowly enough so that native species might have a chance to adapt. This is rapid and unprecedented change. It can take hundreds, if not tens of thousands of generations for a species to adapt to a changing environment. But what if the species dies out in the mean-time? Do we just pick our noses and say, "Oh well?" Speaking for myself only, since I believe we are more than 50% responsible for this, I think we should do what needs to be done to save native species of flora and fauna. I feel that it is a moral imperative. I believe that GCC is a cyclical event, however, we have sped it up immeasurably. How could the human race expect that dumping millions of kilotons of crap into the air and water every year since the industrial revolution wouldn't cause all kinds of bad things to start happening? It's pretty much common sense, IMO. The pine bark beetle causing most of the damage is indeed a species introduced to North America. It is now hybridising with the native pine bark beetle. Superbug! Fun, huh? __________________ "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.....and spiders." Me and Franky D.

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09-19-2009, 04:29 PM	#24
Wild Flora Lungwort Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada	I'm glad I finally found this discussion. Very interesting points raised, all well worth considering.